news New Zetor "Series 6" (maybe Forterra) 120-171 hp is coming!

On Zeme Zivitelka fair, Ceske Budejovice, CZ, Zetor has announced to introduce a new tractor model with 120-171hp. Zetor North America says it is the new Forterra, available from third quarter of 2024. What is clear is that it has a completely new cab, but we will follow what details will be publicized in the next week.



As can be seen, it has a steel sickle above the mudguard, like the Proxima.



This is because the cabs have been placed higher on Crystal and Forterra to improve operator visibility, which left a bigger gap between tire and mudguard at the back, with the previous cab.

Possibly this allows for more room above the wheels to install the more ergonomic hydraulic control levers of the Proxima in the HSX too.

Other noticeable change is the doors are bigger, the B pillar of the cab is moved roughly 20cm back, and the door hinges are different.

Will this new Forterra have a Deutz TCD 4.1 up to 171hp ? Or will the Forterra be available in both 4 and 6 cylinder like Deutz-Fahr ? We will report as soon as more news comes out...

Because of the current price level of the Forterra, ergonomic or technical flaws are not permissible for Zetor, even at basic spec tractors they require to have their ergonomics (placement and logic of the controls, feel, noise, vibration, harshness) spic and span...

Spotted by Forum member twan hag
This message edited with new information 30-08 9:45pm

 

[zetorfanpl]

This front PTO from polish Metalplast, used in Zetor prototype, is identical as SAUTER

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnVEQV-juug

 

[international]

Any other news on zetor forthcoming range ?

 

[Joachim]

No. not yet.

But Zetor Germany will have a stand at the agra Messer in Leipzig (Germany, Saxony) in april this year. I hope we here there (or in best case: see) some news about the new model(s). And then we can inform you here.

Iam wondering - a new model is planed for 2024 and at this time not many official informations are to see. I think the most informations you can find at internet you will find here at our site.

 

[zetorfanpl]

As dealer says it will be Zetor 6 series Filmik z testów prototypu nowego modelu ZETOR - seria 6. Choć ciągnik ma być następcą popularnej "Forterry" to producent deklaruje, że nowy model będzie... | By Agrospec KłudkaFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/share/v/LEnwaArQwAQC7rR2/
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[Renze]

As dealer says it will be Zetor 6 series

So, apart from using the same components as Deutz Fahr, they also use the same names ? So they arent going to sell a Zetor, but a red and cheap Deutz ? Can they actually make them cheaper as Deutz ?

Sounds like a poor business plan. If you are working for the same cost as Deutz Fahr but with a broken down dealer network, you need to cut in your margins to be able to sell them anyways.

Zetor needs a different unique selling point than price if they buy in all components...

 

[international]

So, apart from using the same components as Deutz Fahr, they also use the same names ? So they arent going to sell a Zetor , but a red and cheap Deutz ? Can they actually make them cheaper as Deutz ?

Sounds like a poor business plan. If you are working for the same cost as Deutz Fahr but with a broken down dealer network, you need to cut in your margins to be able to sell them anyways.

Zetor needs a different unique selling point than price if they buy in all components...

it has been a ship full of yes people for over a decade and a half they just do not have the engineering ability also they have not taken on what there dealer network has been feeding back in that time its now just an assembler

 

[Joachim]

"... next year ..."
Realy?? In 2023 the US Import spokes from a start in 2024 and Zetor to. And now the same as last year: next year ...

Can it be - model 6 is only the 6. generation of Forterra? So I doesnt think they will kill the good and establisht name "Forterra". Or better - i hope so.

 

[Renze]

MCAE systems 3D printed the prototype cab panels for Zetor : it is a great way of getting a feel of the design, without investing time and money in vacuum molds for forming the plastic parts. Wooden forms can be used for small batches, but they cant stand the heated plastic on them for that many cycles. Vacuum molds are therefor made by using the wooden form to create a cast form in sand, which is then cast with aluminium, which is a cost you only take when sure. 3D printing is therefor used to create proof of concept, before the actual material is being used on the wooden form to test production, before a definitive aluminium vacuum form is made.
In the days i designed cab interiors, we didnt have access to 3D printing so we changed the wooden form when needed.

Jak pomáhá 3D tisk při výrobě nových traktorů ZETOR | MCAE

3D tisk pomáhá při vývoji a výrobě ve společnosti ZETOR. Na 3D tiskárnách F770 a F900 se tak vyráběli prototypy interiéru nového traktoru.

www.mcae.cz

 

[international]

MCAE systems 3D printed the prototype cab panels for Zetor : it is a great way of getting a feel of the design, without investing time and money in vacuum molds for forming the plastic parts. Wooden forms can be used for small batches, but they cant stand the heated plastic on them for that many cycles. Vacuum molds are therefor made by using the wooden form to create a cast form in sand, which is then cast with aluminium, which is a cost you only take when sure. 3D printing is therefor used to create proof of concept, before the actual material is being used on the wooden form to test production, before a definitive aluminium vacuum form is made.
In the days i designed cab interiors, we didnt have access to 3D printing so we changed the wooden form when needed.

Jak pomáhá 3D tisk při výrobě nových traktorů ZETOR | MCAE

3D tisk pomáhá při vývoji a výrobě ve společnosti ZETOR. Na 3D tiskárnách F770 a F900 se tak vyráběli prototypy interiéru nového traktoru.

www.mcae.cz

The steps look to vertical as more like a ladder then a stairs the passenger mirror looks like its in the way going in and out of the cab i took off the passenger side mirrors on the zetors at home as use to hit head off never happen getting out of the newholland tm series cabs and it looks like no inclusion for reverse drive in the future as its a new cab if they include a notch in the floor and plug on the door you could enter and exit cab easier and still retain a wide cab same style as in manitou loader cabs. As zetor is only building a cab now they might as well allow for reverse drive.

 

[Renze]

As zetor is only building a cab now they might as well allow for reverse drive.

Guy i know here, just bought a Puma 260. Reverse drive conversion was done at an Austrian Case/Steyr specialist.. no factory option. Tractor is running a wood chipper with loading crane.

So then, why would Zetor bother about reverse drive on a 4 cylinder farmers tractor when even CNH doesnt bother on their premium contractors models ? The market for reverse drive is just too small to drive up the cost price through preparations by even a penny, of all tractors sold without that option.

Only Fendt and Valtra have it as a factory option, all others let a specialist modifier take care of it.

 

[Renze]

Zetor is now putting some official stuff on their website.

Here, they mention 30/15 gears like Deutz and Landini/McCormick. Previously they were talking about 24/12 gears for the 40 eco gearbox (the ZF box with 30 gears could run 72kmh unrestricted)

ZETOR TRACTORS a.s.

Výrobce traktorů Zetor, dodavatel originálních náhradních dílů a příslušenství pro traktory Zetor.

www.zetor.cz

 

[Joachim]

I put the new infos to a Excel sheet, to compare it with a Deutz Series 6.4 as I think that would be the mostly comparsation with the new Zetor Series 6 models.

x = serie
o = option


There are many things open or unknown like the price, but let it see us later than.

 

[Joachim]

(the ZF box with 30 gears could run 72kmh unrestricted)

The pervect tractor gear box for long distances to the next Zetor meetup.

 

[Renze]

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There are many things open or unknown like the price, but let it see us later than.

Yes, thats a fair comparison, the difference between them will be just the cab and the front axle (Carraro vs ZF) the transmission rear end and oil pump are identical... I am afraid the price will be also, so farmers will rather buy the Deutz at the large and prosperous dealership, rather than at the outdated dirty old shop that still hasnt given up on Zetor yet...

It will depend a lot on the sales representatives Zetor puts in charge of re-developing their dealer network... building a tractor is one thing, but their sales network needs an equal amount of work to be able to get them sold...

 

[international]

Yes, thats a fair comparison, the difference between them will be just the cab and the front axle (Carraro vs ZF) the transmission rear end and oil pump are identical... I am afraid the price will be also, so farmers will rather buy the Deutz at the large and prosperous dealership, rather than at the outdated dirty old shop that still hasnt given up on Zetor yet...

It will depend a lot on the sales representatives Zetor puts in charge of re-developing their dealer network... building a tractor is one thing, but their sales network needs an equal amount of work to be able to get them sold...

They really have nothing extra to make them different from the crowd even the axle on the deutz is there design and a good design at that my father was talking to a die hard zetor man yesterday and he is the only person i can think of in a 40 mile radius where there was hunderds of zetors up until the year 2010 and now he is the only man with a modern Zetor and he said it the only model that the main dealer has had to call on a regular basis and it is his last as it was dealer did not know enough about them and zetor was less then helpful. I even see with the myself the only forterra i have left parts have triple in price in the last ten years to the point where i just do not buy them off zetor any more They might launch this new series but as its the same people that have ran the company in to the ground it will be hard to generate volume sales advantage been with volume they be more people in the know in how to repair should a problem arise.

 

[Joachim]

The repair won't be a problem I think so.
Almost every large agricultural machinery workshop is familiar with Deutz engines and ZF transmissions as well as Carraro front axles.
All parts that are also often used by other brands - so I don't see any real problems there, quite the opposite.

I my eyes it's that an advantage.


But yes - the price has to be right compared to the direct competitors, otherwise it won't work.

 

[Renze]

The repair won't be a problem I think so.
Almost every large agricultural machinery workshop is familiar with Deutz engines and ZF transmissions as well as Carraro front axles.

Both Deutz and ZF have technical specialists who the dealer can call. Even when the tractor was built before ZF took over Steyr Antriebstechnik, if you have a problem, ZF sends out a service specialist.

But yes - the price has to be right compared to the direct competitors, otherwise it won't work.

Zetor is likely overestimating their market potential with the same quality as the direct competition: We dont live in the 1970s anymore, when Zetor offered a better spec, same reliability, for a much better price. Competing from an Eastern Bloc country in which the government could set the price level in order to export more, to aquire foreign valuta, was different than competing with components from the West without the economy of scale of the others that use the same components...

I mean, 8 years ago Claas was almost giving tractors away at cost price, to Fendt and John Deere customers, to prove that their tractors were as good as the other green ones, and LOTS more reliable than the last orange ones which were repainted in white and green. Claas could afford that because of their profitable harvesting branch.

Tatra is doing extremely well here, with Daf engines, Daf cabs and ZF transmissions because they have a unique chassis concept nobody else has...

What will be Zetors unique selling point ? Its no longer price. Quality ? Same as others. Technology? Same as others. Service ? Dealer network next to non existent. So, what will draw old customers back to Zetor? To draw dealers back to Zetor they would want to see the 200hp six cylinder first, before they even think about rebranding.

So i dont think this new range will turn the tide here in Holland. Not because it isnt good or because it doesnt meet the requirements of todays market, but because it doesnt convince dealers to reinvest in Zetor. And when price and quality level are the same as competition, the dealer will make the difference.

I am not saying there is no chance, because in my area, farmers are changeing to John Deere because the New Holland dealer prioritizes large contractors and leaves individual farmers waiting when the hay is out and the sky turns dark.

With the proper, customer oriented dealer network they can certainly acquire a slice of the market, but the problem is that thats the only thing that has deteriorated fast in the last 10 years...